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Sea vs Boat Mindset

Be asocial copycats or crediting idea recyclers?

YAML 問題

Imagine two kindergartens:

(1) In the kindergarten "Sea", kids copy each others: if one kid comes up with something novel and useful, others quickly copy him, and take this to their advantage, without giving any credit to those who originally came up with it.

This social set-up incentivizes kids to keep their novel and useful things to themselves, and form closed groups of trust to keep the secret advantages, and trade carefully.

(2) In the kindergarten "Boat", kids give credit to each others: if one kid comes up with something novel and useful, others praise the kid, and gives him/her credit, in that, if someone else uses their ideas, they are remembered, and if someone succeeds big way as a result of publicly shared innovation of another kid, the rest of the kids force the one who succeeded big way to give reasonable support back to the kid who publicly shared the innovation.

This social set-up incentivizes kids to share their novel and useful things as soon as possible with the public, in the expectation of social validation, and future returns, when someone else succeeds as a result of it.

Transfer a kid from one kind of kindergarten to another, and the kid's behavior will have to change, adapting to the social norm, not because the ethical views of the kid himself or herself, but because of the phenomena similar to prisoner's dilemma with respect to expected returns with respect to the given society's social norms.

So, which kindergarten would you like to be raised in?

In most cases, I would like to be raised in the kindergarten (2). This is because I don't have time to implement all the ideas that I come up with, yet I want to profit (both financially and in terms of social return) from all of my ideas without having to patent, hire an army, or work individually on every one of them to have this return to happen. I want the society be the army, that, as described in (2), praises and protects its contributors, that publicly shared ideas generate financial returns by default.

Status Quo and Prospects

I think, this kind of society will happen sooner or later, because technology allows to track, and prove increasingly many facts about events, their dates, identities and authenticity, and therefore, it is just a matter of time before those facts will be increasingly intelligently recognized, and credit given where it is due, therefore, it is sufficient to start recording those proofs now using various standards (one of the possible ways I described here), writing them to various data storage systems, as those records will get increasingly recognized regardless of particular way in which people have made those records, as long as they are probabilistically credible.

Cultural norms needed

This may happen just because technology allows to tokenize and trade ideas or to have enough evidence to sue someone for patenting a publicly shared idea. In this case, we'll still be living in the wild (1) type world. Technology alone does not fully solve all problems.

To achieve the comfortable and fun (2) world, people have evolve a culture of caring about tracing origins. People don't put down the guns because blockchain exists. They do so, because others show care about them socially and economically.

I think we should try to evolve and facilitate such culture as in the kindergarten "(2)".


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您只需要查看軟件工程克隆的應用程序和網站即可瞭解人們對此的態度。你會認爲有編程能力的人會相信。但他們會說他們的應用程序是其他東西的克隆。

O2oo 設計似乎基於半面包店。我們都受到他人的影響

You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this. You would think that people capable of programming would credit. But they will say their app is a clone of something else.

O2oo design seems based on halfbakery. We're all influenced by others



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chronological,

[按時間順序排列],是的,當然,O2oo 受到 Halfbakery 的啓發,以及其他各種想法(例如 [[1]](https:// www.halfbakery.com/idea/howtoengineerit_2ecom))。然而,[jutta] 不喜歡“Halfmakery”這個名字與“Halfbakery”太相似。

// 我們都受到他人的影響

確切地說:“我是通過與他人的互動而形成的。他們創造了我,就像我創造了他們一樣。” - Rei Ayanami(新世紀福音戰士/NGE) 可分叉性 // 你只需要看看軟件工程克隆的應用程序和網站,就可以瞭解人們對此的態度。

所以,問題仍然存在——如何正確信貸,讓銀行系統在乎誰說什麼?是否應該存在一個標籤,讓人們在網上以機器可讀的形式將那些受到啓發的人和他們所寫的東西聯繫起來?可追溯的分叉能力和一切的多重繼承性,以便想法可以“發生性關係”以更多方式?其他事情?

[chronological], yes, surely, O2oo was inspired by Halfbakery, as well as various other ideas (such as [1]). However, [jutta] didn't like that the name "Halfmakery" is too similar to "Halfbakery".

// We're all influenced by others

Exactly: "I am formed by interaction with others. They create me as I create them." - Rei Ayanami (Neon Genesis Evangelion/NGE) forkability // You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this.

So, the problem remains -- how to credit properly, so that banking system cares who says what? Should there exist a tag, that lets people on-line associate those who inspired with what they write, in a machine-readable form? Traceable fork-ability and multi-inheritability of everything, so that ideas can "have sex" in more ways? Other things?


我喜歡聖經參考系統。我們參考聖經來承認一個事實或證明一個行爲或法律是正當的。

每節經文都有編號,每本書都有章節,如果有多本書,我們會在開頭加上書號。

所以參考看起來像哥林多前書 13:1-13

大學研究領域有不同的參考方案。

知識產權也是一回事。你在爭論我們應該尊重他人的知識產權和由某人造成的所有事情。

I like the biblical referencing system. We refer to scripture to acknowledge a fact or justify a behaviour or law.

Each verse is numbered and there are chapters to each book and where there is more than one book we prefix the book number at the beginning.

So a reference looks like 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Universities research fields have different referencing schemes.

Intellectual property is also a thing. You're arguing we should respect others intellectual property and all things caused by someone.


我喜歡使用會計系統來實現效果的想法。使用會計技術來說明原因的影響。我們存在於因果宇宙中。如果有人促成了別人的成功,他們應該得到回報。所以你的老師應該爲他們爲你帶來的東西得到一些東西。

I like the idea of using accounting systems for effects. Use accounting technology to account for effects of causes. We exist in a cause and effect universe. If someone causes someone else's success they should get rewarded for it. So your teachers deserve some thing for what they caused for you.


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