How to Distribute HURS?

How do we distribute HOURS in a way that is not HACKABLE yet values the work of an individual?

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I'm very interested in the idea of trading hours. For example, if I work for someone for 1 hour, I should be paid 1HUR by the person I worked for. But what if they don't have any HURS to give? How do the HURS get distributed into this system? Also, what if I do work that doesn't benefit someone who works like a baby? Am I able to get HURS from that?


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嘿[justinmiyamoto],首先,歡迎來到0oo :)

//例如,如果我爲某人工作1個小時,則該工作人員應向我收取1HUR。

您的作品可以公開發表或提到全世界嗎?如果是這樣,那麼這個地方適合您。然後,您在此處僅將HUR用作“度量單位” **。例如,如果您的生產或服務成本爲50 $,則可以在相關項目下使用“ + [結果]”按鈕,並輸入50 $ / HUR= 4.95 HUR在您聲明的工作結果下(或只寫50 USD,我們的系統將評估等值的HUR)。請注意,HUR並非分發或交易的東西,它是我們出於參考目的顯示的價值單位,而不是貨幣。

此外,如果有人爲您支付了費用,並且可以發佈有關付款事實的信息,則他們可以使用“ + [轉帳]”按鈕在項目下注冊該事實,然後進行註冊。付款可以使工作結果匹配,以便將其抵消(例如,如果付款爲60 $,則總分類帳值最終將爲10 $),這樣就產生了供公衆查看的分類帳。

在項目下創建作品和交易分類賬的活動所產生的結果是信息性的,並顯示爲用戶名上方的社區信用和資金。一旦我們在社區中有更多的項目生產實際產品,我們就在考慮將這種社區信用作爲一種貨幣形式,用於(至少部分)支付您可以在[市場部分]購買的東西(https:// /0oo.li/i0)。

//另外,如果我所做的工作對像嬰兒一樣工作的人沒有好處怎麼辦?

您可以通過在此處公開註冊所做的任何事情來聲明小時數,這將增加您對該社區的“信用評分”。

我希望這種解釋是可以理解的。這對您有意義嗎?您可以隨時以[0oo.li/rate](https://0oo.li/rate)觀察HUR的波動值。

Hey [justinmiyamoto], first of all, welcome to the 0oo :)

// For example, if I work for someone for 1 hour, I should be paid 1HUR by the person I worked for.

Was your work okay to be published or mentioned for the world to see? If that is so, this place is for you. Then, you use HUR here only as a unit of measure. For example, if your production or service COST was 50$, you would use the button "+[result]" under a project in question, and write 50$ / HUR = 4.95 HUR under the work result that you declared (or just write 50 USD, and our system will evaluate the HUR equivalent). Note that HUR is not something that is distributed or traded -- it is a unit of value that we show for information purposes, not a currency.

Further, if someone paid you for your costs, and they are okay to publish information about the fact of payment, they can register that fact under project with "+[transfer]" button, and register it. Payment can have the work results matched up, so that they cancel out (for example, if the payment was of 60$, the total ledger value would be 10$ in the end), this way, producing a ledger for the public to see.

What comes out of this activity of creating ledgers of works and transactions under project, is informational, and displayed as community credit and funds above your username. Once we have more projects in the community producing real products, we are considering that this community credit will be useful as a form of currency to make (at least partial) payments for things you can buy on our market section.

// Also, what if I do work that doesn't benefit someone who works like a baby?

You can declare hours by registering expenses for whatever you did, in public here, and that will add in to your "credit score" on this community.

I hope this explanation is understandable. Does it make sense to you? You can always take a look at fluctuating value of HUR at 0oo.li/rate.


哇,謝謝您對Mindey的評論如此詳盡。說得通!我對0oo的潛力感到非常興奮。我考慮這些問題已經很長時間了,我很高興有人正在努力解決這些問題。很高興在這裏嘗試我的一些項目。

Wow, thank you for commenting so thoroughly Mindey. Makes sense! I'm very excited about the potential of 0oo. I've been thinking about these problems for a long time and I'm so glad someone is working on it. Excited to try some of my projects on here.



    : Mindey
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justinmiyamoto,
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很高興聽到這個消息,[justinmiyamoto],希望您覺得這個地方很有趣。實際上,我們正在認真考慮這些經濟和金錢問題。確切的定義實際上位於rates頁面的底部,您可以通過download我們的數據庫。 ;)在繼續探索的過程中,如果有什麼想法可以隨時提出問題〜^ __ ^

Great to hear that, [justinmiyamoto], and I hope you find this place fun to be. We are actually seriously thinking about these problems of economy and money. The precise definition actually is at the bottom of the rates page, and you can the historical fluctuation of all currencies as measured in HUR by downloading our database. ;) Feel free to ask questions if something comes up on mind as you continue to explore~ ^__^


歡迎[justinmiyamoto]!

哦,我也有疑問要添加到此線程。我將HURS視爲“每個人都宣佈他們在項目上花費的時間,無論是作家還是工程師,這樣所有工作都是平等的”。 [敏迪],您對此有何看法?

但是,爲像我這樣的創作者宣告工作時間有什麼價值呢?有人可以參加0oo並直接投資我的項目,以便我不去Kickstarter嗎?這對我現在與我的圖書項目有關。

另外,投資者的主要動機是什麼?他們爲什麼要來0oo投資?真的是一項投資或更像是一筆捐款嗎?

現在交易期間會發生什麼?錢會以某種方式存入我的銀行嗎?

進行交易時,損益表會怎樣?

好了,問一個問題是澄清的第一步:)感謝您聽我的問題!

Welcome [justinmiyamoto]!

Oh, I have questions too to add to this thread. I see HURS as "everyone declares time they spend on projects, no matter if it was a writer or an engineer, and this way all work is equal". [Mindey], what do you think about that?

But then, what is the value of declaring hours for a creator like me? Can someone come on 0oo and invest into my project directly, so that I don't go to Kickstarter? This is relevant for me now for my book project.

Also, what's the key motivator for investors? Why would they come to 0oo to invest? And is it really an investment or more like a donation?

And what happens during the transaction now? Does money go to my bank somehow?

And what happens with P&L when transaction is made?

Well, asking a question is the first step to clarity :) Thank you for listening to my questions!


我只是用積分購買了其中一種產品。那意味着,在我的餘額中,我應該看到我已經花了一些積分嗎?

I just used my credits to buy one of the products. That means, in my balance, I should see that some credits I already spend?


微交易的問題是費用。

如果您要進行金錢交易,則處理一筆交易會花費大量金錢。

A problem with microtransactions is fees.

It costs a lot of money to handle a transaction if you're doing business transactions of money.


您一次可以進行100英鎊的交易。並且吃掉3%的存款或取款費用。

You could do transactions of £100 at a time. And eat the 3% fee on deposit or withdrawal.


[Ruta],是的,確實如此,事實上,轉移購買會影響分類帳和您的信用餘額。 :)雖然這看起來很複雜,但是無論何時我們進行購買,我們都可以選擇付款方式,並且可以將另一筆轉賬作爲付款。其他轉移必須存在於某個項目(例如,製造產品的公司的項目)下才能選擇它。因此,在當前階段,這種購買方式尚未針對用戶體驗進行優化。儘管在當前階段不是優先考慮的事情(我們擁有其他目前正在大量使用的功能,例如項目和想法),但在以後的階段它將變得很重要。

//微交易的問題是費用。 //

哦,是的。您是否聽說過比特幣發明人的Mercatoria?他目前正在通過我所瞭解的結構(“感應共識樹協議(ICTP)”)來實現這種便宜,從而實現大規模的分佈式共識和計算。它實現了高吞吐率,〜0.0002美元的交易成本和高安全性,同時保留了隱私。”

它引入了一種稱爲“歸納共識樹”的東西。“該設計分散了驗證,放樣和存儲的功能,並每秒支持數千萬個事務,並且隨着全球帶寬的增長,容量也隨之增加。” -值得研究。

[Ruta], yes, true, in fact, the purchase for transfer affects ledger and your credit balance. :) While this may look complex, whenever we do a purchase, we can choose how to pay, and can match up another transfer as payment. That other transfer must exist under some project (for example, the project of the company that makes the product) to be able to select it. So, buying something this way, at current stage, is not yet optimized for user experience. While not a priority at this stage (we have other features that are much more used currently, like projects and ideas), but it will become important in later stages.

// A problem with microtransactions is fees. //

Oh yes. Had you heard of Mercatoria by the inventor of Bitcoin? He's currently working on making that cheap, through, what I understand, a structure, -"Inductive Consensus Tree Protocol (ICTP) - for distributed consensus and computation at scale. It achieves high throughput, ∼ $0.0002 transaction costs, and high security while preserving privacy."

It introduces something called "inductive consensus tree" ... "The design decentralizes verification, staking, and storage, and supports tens of millions of transactions per second, with capacity increasing as global bandwidth grows." -- worth looking into it.


如果有人向我轉賬100美元(通過單擊我的一個項目中的“轉賬”按鈕),這是否意味着他們獲得了我的HUR學分?那麼15個積分會顯示在他們的個人資料上?

If someone tranfers 100$ to me (by clicking Transfer button in one of my projects), does it mean they get my HUR credits? So 15 credits appear on their profile?


//如果有人向我匯款100美元(通過單擊我的一個項目中的“轉移”按鈕),是否表示他們獲得了我的HUR積分?

是的,它們的“資金”金額增加了那麼多(按當前匯率計算爲10個藍色“資金”)。對於轉移您資金的用戶,它表明他們已經支付了那麼多資金,而這些資金仍然可供他們給他們的用戶使用。但是,如果您作爲資金的接收者突然寫出一個結果(+ [result]),比如說50美元的費用,然後選擇該結果的費用由上述資金轉移來補償,那麼他們將損失它們的FUNDS值,因爲這將表明您的結果消耗了這些資金。但是,如果您不這樣做,他們可能會認爲他們仍然有您的資金。

// If someone tranfers 100$ to me (by clicking Transfer button in one of my projects), does it mean they get my HUR credits?

Yes, their "FUNDS" amount increases by that much (10 blue "funds" by current exchange rate). For the user who transfers you funds, it indicates that they had given that much, and those funds are still available to the users whom they had given them. However, if you, the recipient of funds, would suddenly write a result (+[result]), with say, 50$ costs, and then chose that this result's costs are compensated by the mentioned transfer of funds, then, they would lose their FUNDS value, because that would indicate the consumption of those funds for your result. However, if you don't do that, they might think that they still have their funds with you.


這是三件事嗎?

1.當投資者對項目進行貨幣交易並通過單擊項目內的“轉移”按鈕聲明已進行轉移時,資金會顯示在“基金”下(實際交易不會在0oo中發生)

2.然後,項目成員向HURS聲明結果,以“使用資金”(即使他們已經獲得了實際資金)。

3.然後,該投資者的FUNDS下降以表明項目正在“使用這些資金”。

因此,FUNDS就像公共會計一樣,在項目如何花錢上起作用,對嗎?

So it is 3 things?

  1. Funds appear under Funds when investor makes a money transaction to a project and declare that they made a transfer by clicking Transfer button within a project (actual Transaction does not happen in 0oo)

  2. Project members then declare Results with HURS, to "use the Funds" (even if they got actual money already).

  3. Then FUNDS for that investor go down to show that projects are "using those funds".

So, FUNDS work like public accounting on how projects are spending money, right?


是,對的。

沒錯,“資金”僅用於會計,就像投資者或購買者的得分一樣-跟蹤提供的資金。

//該資金數量是否減少了?

是的,它下降了,因爲轉移與有成本的結果相關聯。

這是一個小視頻:link。如果是外部投資者,他們將要投資美元,歐元或其他東西,例如機器或用品。那全部算作“基金”。一旦他們將資產投入到任何項目中,它們在資金頁面中將顯示爲“提供的資金”。

Yes, correct.

Right, "Funds" are for accounting only, it's like an investor or purchaser score — to keep track of funds provided.

// Does that Funds number ever go down?

Yes, it goes down, as the transfers are linked with results that have costs.

Here is a little video on that: link. In case of external investors, they are going to be investing, say, dollars, euros, or something else, like machines, or supplies. That all counts as "Funds". Once they put their assets into any of the projects, that appears to them as "Funds provided" in the funds page.


因此,對於投資者而言,0oo的價值是發現有趣的項目以及對項目預算的使用方式進行透明會計。

對於Doers來說,0oo的價值在於尋找新想法,直接獲得社區反饋,尋找種植者,解決項目難題,在市場上銷售產品。

So, for Investors, the value of 0oo is discovery of interesting projects and transparent accounting on how the project budget is spent.

And for Doers, the value of 0oo is finding new ideas, getting community feedback directly, finding cocreators, solving project challenges, selling products on the Market.


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