Sound of Living Systems

Is there a similarity between ocean's noise, human heartbeat and golden ratio?

YAML 問題

"Is it possible to figure out the wavelength of ocean’s collective noise as a heart bit of living planet and compare it with human heartbeat and how they relate to golden ratio?"

this puzzle was sparked by Mansoor Vakili.


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YOMO研究員的反饋:

Lisa:“大數據分析 —> 有機的作曲感 = 相互依存的感覺”

馬修:“海洋聲音的哪些特性與心跳有關?”

約翰:“黃金比例只是比較數字,找到合適的數字進行比較,得出一些具有美學意義的東西”

Feedback from YOMO fellows:

Lisa: "Big data analysis —> organic sense of composing = a sense of interdependence"

Matthew: “What properties of the ocean sound would correlate with the heart beat?”

John: “Golden ratio is just comparing numbers, find the right numbers to compare that derives something aesthetically meaningful”



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    : Mindey
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Ruta,
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雨聲、冰箱的馬達聲和斐波那契數之間是否有相似之處?我會說 - 很少......談到自然,是的,有一些不明顯的數學關係,比如花朵的生長和黃金比例之間的關係,因爲圓形約束區域。然而,不確定,並非總是如此,所以我對那裏是否存在自然關係持懷疑態度。

// 海洋聲音的哪些特性與心跳相關?

看看人類聽到和識別聲音的能力,水(如雨水或海洋)對生存的進化意義,以及水對生命的重要性所產生的心理學:聽到或不聽到水可能意味着生命之間的差異和死亡,因此,動物和人類一定已經進化爲由於聽到它們而改變心跳。

Is there a similarity between sound of rain, a motor-beat of refrigerator, and Fibonacci numbers? I'd say -- very little... When it comes to nature, yes, there are cases of non-obvious mathematical relationships, like the relationship between, say, growth of flowers and the golden ratio, because of exponential growth in the circularly constrained area. However, not definite, not always, so I'm skeptical about the presence of natural relationships there.

// What properties of the ocean sound would correlate with the heart beat?

Look no further than the human ability to hear and recognize sounds, and evolutionary significance of water (like rain or ocean) to survival, and the psychology that arose from importance of water to life: hearing or not hearing water could mean the difference between life and death, thus, animals, and humans must have evolved to change heartbeat as a result of hearing them.


如果海洋充滿了地球,血液充滿了人體併爲心臟泵血,那麼藝術地探索這兩個生命系統之間的相關性是很有趣的。爲什麼?創造具有相互依存感的藝術。因爲人世間有太多的分裂、分離和審判,審判不會帶來希望。雖然混合搭配的新觀點可以激發一種團結感。這就是重點。 :)

If Ocean fills the Earth, and blood fills the human body and pumps the heart, then it's interesting to artistically explore the correlation between the two living systems. Why? To create art that shares a sense of interdependence. Because there is so much division, separation and judgment in the human world, and judgment does not bring hope. While new perspectives on mixing and matching can inspire a sense of togetherness. And that is the point in itself. :)


用於繪製圖片的臨時連接?可能。然而,這種關係將是相當不精確的類比。例如,水生態系統由太陽推動,蒸發水,這個過程與爲心臟泵血提供動力的過程非常不同:一個是自然的,發生在其他行星上,如泰坦,另一個是地球的一部分。生物,數十億細胞的合作。從地球上奪走生命,水仍然會蒸發和下雨,而在構成心臟的細胞生命的背景下,血液就不能這樣說。

Ad-hoc connections for drawing a picture? Perhaps. However, such relations would be rather imprecise analogies. For example, the water ecosystem is propelled by the Sun, evaporating waters, and this process is very different from the process that powers the heart pumps blood: one is natural, and occurs on other planets, like Titan, another is a part of a living being, a cooperation of billions of cells. Take away life from Earth, and water would still evaporate and rain, whereas that cannot be said about blood in context of life of cells that make up heart.


嗯,不是比較水的過程,而是比較地球內部和身體內部水的物體,通過其頻率(海浪與心跳)。

進一步有用的問題是,如果我們將地球和人體兩者都視爲生命系統,那麼在這次探索中將心跳與什麼進行比較?海浪發出的集體噪音是否相當於心跳?

Hmm not comparing the process of water but the object of water inside the Earth and inside the body, through its frequency (ocean waves vs heartbeat).

Useful question further would be, if we see both - the planet Earth and the human body - as living systems, what to compare a heartbeat with for this exploration? Is the collective noise made by ocean waves an equivalent to a heart beating?



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    : Mindey
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Ruta,

在網上查了一下“海洋水下噪音”後,出現了。

“就像麥克風用於聆聽空氣中的聲音一樣,稱爲水聽器的設備用於聆聽水下的聲音。……同樣,水聽器將水中的聲音轉換成電信號,這些電信號可以被放大、記錄、通過揚聲器播放,並且用來測量聲音的特性。”

進一步思考,如何測量海洋的水下噪聲?以及如何從海洋中的人爲噪音中清除它?

After looking up online "Oceans Underwater Noise" came up.

"Just as microphones are used to listen to sound in air, devices called hydrophones are used to listen to sound underwater. ... Similarly, hydrophones convert sound in water into electrical signals that can be amplified, recorded, played back over loudspeakers, and used to measure the characteristics of the sound."

Thinking further, how to measure Ocean's Underwater Noise? And how to clean it from human made noise in the oceans?


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