問題: Humans as Community

Human superorganism

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Our blood vessels carry food, oxygen and nutrients to our cells which each then do their work. The cells of our body are selfless - how do we create communities that are selfless

YAML 想法

If you look at our society from the sky you can see arteries which are roads which carry nutrients to shops. Where people buy things by exchanging money. Like cells exchange waste products with nutrients in the blood. The blood cells do their job without asking for anything in return. They take oxygen freely from the lung without having to provide anything in return.

I reject game theory when it comes to society. I think cooperation could lead to a better use of resources. I think wealth aggregating at the top is a symptom of corruption in society's founding values. Society could be more efficient.

People aren't assigned jobs based on their skills. They have to apply to them by themselves. It's a very inefficient process with much conflict of interest. Rarely is a relationship between employee and employer balanced. It's pretty one sided.

I want society to evolve past a selfish individualistic approach into one that benefits everybody by being part of the superorganism. Every work should be rewarded - collecting litter, childcare should all be rewarded in kind. Muscles that work hard are rewarded with more blood and nutrients.

But hard work in society does not involve reward - it usually results in more work to be done.

Would someone do childcare for free if their needs were all met? Food, shelter, bills?

If every human is trying to improve supply lines to make disbursement of shelter, nutrients more efficient. Money is an abstraction it should be used for good.

If we look at the rates at which nature moves - we can say that nature moves very slowly. An animal only exerts effort when it needs to eat. Humankind on the other hand is always busy. It is an artificial business that stems from being dependent on money and 40 hour work weeks. Farmers don't need to work 40 hours a week to feed us all - nor does anybody else. It's only benefitting rich stockholders.

In nature there is no concept of ownership. There is only territory. And it's temporary. For mating. For shelter. For nestlings. That's an artificial limitation on our freedom that keeps us docile and away from achieving independence. If independence is impossible in a world where all the land has a use then we need to get better at working for eachother. It means we need to redefine what contributing to society means. I don't think it means work a job.

Perhaps everybody could have a score which is a balance of what one has contributed to the whole. It goes from negative value to positive value. If you have positive value you can redeem nutrients from society. If you have negative value then you cannot receive goods yet.

There would be a work market that people could do which shifts your scale positive. Collecting litter. Working a water treatment plant. Stacking shelves in a shop. Giving a lift to a worker to work. Writing something. Creating a painting. All would improve your score because they benefit society.

The concept of having a job will disappear. You can pick and choose what you want to do each week. You gain a large variety of skills.

We don't reward the hardest jobs. They pay the least. The most desperate work them. We live in a hierarchical society and nobody does a thing about it. Everybody in the middle classes and above benefits from this arrangement because they don't have to get their hands dirty.

Lying and cheating goes far and we don't punish it in our society.



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你得到的是我所說的時間銀行。您會因投入社區的時間和幫助而獲得社區積分。它和錢一樣。讓我們稱 1 小時的工作爲一美元,S1。然後,你可以說我社區中的每個人都以 50 美元/小時的價格工作。所以,你得到了 S1=50 美元的匯率。當然,它的簡化。可以添加各種機制來調節經濟。但是,重點是,金錢是出於善意,而不是像美元那樣債務。這讓一切變得不同。我們如何大規模地創造這樣的經濟是另一個很好的課題。這就是區塊鏈的用途,一張白紙。我們都在忙於在區塊鏈上創造替代經濟。我們可以用幾行代碼創建自由、自我進化、自我管理的經濟結構。儘管如此,如果一切都圍繞着雲計算,我們將創造一個泡沫。我們需要土地,在地面上建立社區,實際生產有形商品和服務,實際幫助某人。所以,我建議創建那些 bc orgs,daos,以支持這些公社的崇高道德目標。我建議將我們的組織專門用於向值得的社區分配土地贈款。讓我們以划算的價格買回我們的星球,因爲美元兌加密貨幣大跌。現在是時候在地球上擴展我們的泡沫了。 它將以理智和善良的泡泡開始,創造新文化的種子。我們的在線組織工具和經濟結構將引導這個社區走向繁榮。繁榮將吸引他人,共產主義病毒將傳播,文化將翻轉,當我們學會分享和合作時,一切都以愛和人性的名義。通過我們在網絡上的鏈接,我們將共同發展成爲一個更聰明的集體。這就是爲什麼我是一名網絡開發人員。 你有沒有注意到,這場革命不是破壞,而是建立在以前的成功之上,包括所有人,包括特朗普

What you getting to is what i call timebanking. You get community credits for time vested into community, for doing favors. Its same as money. Lets call 1hr of work a shenanogins dollar, S1. Then, you can say everyone in my community works for $50/hr. So, you got exchange rate of S1=$50. Of course, its simplified. All kinda mechanisms can be added to regulate the economy. But, the point of it, Money is born out of kindness, not debt as dollar does. That makes all the difference. How do we create such economies on large scale is another good subject. Thats what blockchain is for, a blank slate. We are all busy creating alternative economies on blockchain. We can create economic structures of freedom, self evolving, self governing, with a few lines of code. Still, we would be creating a bubble if it all revolved on the cloud. We need land, to build communities on the ground, to actually produce tangible goods and services, to actually help someone. So, i propose to create those bc orgs, daos, with a high moral goal of supporting such communes. I propose dedicating our org to distribute land Grants to deserving communities. Lets buy our planet back, at a good deal, since dollar is crashing against crypto. Nows the time to extend o ur bubble over the planet. Itll start as bubbles of sanity and kindness, creating seeds of new culture. Our online org tools and economic structures will guide thise communes to prosperity. Prosperity will gravitate others and the commie virus will spread, and the culture will flip, as we learn to share and to collaborate, all in the name of love and humanity. We will collectively evolve into a smarter collective being, thru our links over the web. Thats why im a web dev. Did you notice, this revolution does not destroy, but builds on previous success, and includes everyone, including trump



    : Mindey, transiency
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skihappy,

[時間順序],雖然我對當前社會有類似的看法。順便說一句,你在這裏仍然沒有方法,而是一個想要的狀態,所以 [marked-as-intent]。關於“oo”的想法不僅僅是明亮的“想法”,而是回答“如何”方面的“方法”。成爲超有機體一部分的想法很有吸引力,因爲與細菌的競爭不同,組織的生長是由有機體贊助的——血液被授予,並被調節以支持超有機體的更高目標。

不過,只允許一個超有機體存在是有問題的。想象一個叢林,它不是一個生態系統,而是一個精心照料的計算機控制的花園。在這樣的花園裏,你可以自由玩耍,但你不能改變花園本身的設計方式,因爲一切都將受到穩態控制——無論你打破或改變參數,都將重建——基於單一的藍圖。如果花園的居民現在無法編輯花園代碼,他們將幾乎註定生活在某種專制中。

有兩個出口: (1) 允許多樣化的園丁存在,並在它們之間移動。 (2) 允許居民修改花園的源代碼。 (例如,有點像在代碼開發中,帶有拉取請求)

(2)的做法會比較有限,因爲隨着園內居民越來越多,性格越來越多樣化,越來越難達成一致,應該實施“拉請求”,人不開心。

(1) 方法更靈活,但每個花園需要更多資源(例如,如新的雲計算系統)。

現在,還有另一個問題——你想成爲某個特定超有機體的一部分,你想成爲哪種特定超有機體的一部分——我認爲這是一個文化-經濟-意識形態問題。即使在今天,生活在不同國家的人可能有點像在不同的花園裏,而且在 0oo.li 的背景下,我也在思考追求(描述它[這裏](https://0oo.li/invite /0xE34A06A52C1b57CBEe4001f8dF6991BCAffDbE10/))。通常,文化必須爲使命服務。初創公司通過員工選擇保持效率,通常將員工視爲家人,一些國家試圖以這種方式看待其公民。

值得思考的是,什麼樣的文化可以讓我們成爲我們想成爲的超級有機體。

[chronological], while I do share similar similar sentiments about the current society. Btw., you still have no method here, but rather, a desired state, so [marked-as-intent]. Ideas on "oo" are meant to be not merely bright "thoughts", but "methods" answering the "how" aspect. The thought of being part of the supraorganism is attractive, because unlike the competition of bacteria, the growth of a tissue, is sponsored by the organism -- the blood is granted, and modulated to support the higher goals of the superorganism.

There is a problem with allowing only a single superorganism to exist though. Imagine a joungle that is not an ecosystem, but rather, a well-cared computer-controlled garden. Within such garden, you may have freedom to play, but you could not change how garden itself is designed, because everything would be homeostatically controlled -- whatever you break or shift parameters, would be rebuilt -- based on a single blueprint. If the inhabitatns of the garden now could not edit the garden code, they would be pretty much doomed to living in some kind of authocracy.

There are two exits: (1) allowing the diverse gardents to exisat, and move between them. (2) allowing the inhabitatns to modeify the source code of the garden. (e.g., a bit like in code development, with pull-requests)

The (2) approach would be quite limited, because with the increasing number of inhabitants within the garden, and diversity of personalities, it would be increasingly hard to have an agreement, which "pull-request" should be implemented, and there would be people unhappy.

The (1) approach is more flexible, but requires more resources (e.g., like a new cloud computing system) for each garden.

Now, there is another question of -- do you want to be part of a particular superorganism, and what kind of particular superorganism would you like to be part of -- and I think that is a cultural-economic-ideological question. Even today, people living in different countries can be a bit like in different gardens, and, in context of 0oo.li, I was thinking of the pursuits as well (described it here). Often, culture has to serve the mission. Start-up companies remain efficient by employee selection, often thinking of employees as family, and some countries try to think of their citizens that way.

It's worth thinking what kind of culture could make us into a superorganism that we'd like to be.



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Mindey,

我想根據我同意的價值觀被組織或分配一個超級有機體。我會把家搬到相信同樣事情的人那裏。如果每個人都這樣做,我們就可以擁有人們相信相同事物的地區。就像一個社區希望從委員會而不是中央政府獲得 UBI。布裏斯托爾在英國有自己的貨幣——它與英鎊平行。

I want to be organised or assigned a superorganism based on the values that I agree to. I would move homes towards people who believe the same things. If everybody did this, we could have regions where people believed the same things. Like a neighbourhood that wants UBI from the council rather than from central government. Bristol has its own currency in the UK - it is paralell to the pound.



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chronological,

這是另一種看待泡菜的方式。我們的社會、經濟結構是一張圖表,描繪了人和組織之間的關係和聯繫。圖有一個非常酷的特性。您可以通過添加新節點和鏈接將它們分層。只需添加新結構即可打破舊結構。而且,...這就是我建議做的,在現有圖的基礎上構建新圖,我破壞任何東西,使用相同的人,可能添加新的並行組織,重用舊的,在個人的基礎上。人們將決定如何。我們需要做的就是提供工具,非常重要的是,關鍵是傳遞願景。只是工具不能勝任。我們需要激勵、點燃那團火、播下種子、摒棄貪婪、彼此相愛。不難,大家都準備好了。而且,我們並不特別。到處都開始着火了。我們是衆多中的一員,我們希望合併,速度超快,速度比控制狂可能會嚇壞。

Heres another way to look at that pickle. Our society, economic structure , is a graph, of relationships, links between people and orgs. Graphs have a really cool property. You can layer them up, by adding new nodes and links. Just adding new structure wo breaking the old one. And,... thats what i propose to do, to build new graph on top of existing one, wo breaking anything, using same people, maybe adding new parallel orgs, reusing the old ones, on individual basis. The people gonna decide how. All we need to do is provide the tools and, very important, the key, pass the vision. Just the tools not gonna do the job. We need to inspire, to light that fire, to plant the seed, to lose the greed, to love each other. Its not hard, everyone is ready. And, we are not special. That fire is getting started everywhere. We are one of many, and we honna merge, super quick, faster then control freaks can freak out.



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skihappy,

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